One of the major gripes from the eBay sellers who are striking regards the removal of their right to leave negative feedback for buyers. If truth be told, very few sellers leave negative feedback for buyers and even fewer sellers use feedback as a way of assessing the suitability of their buyers. For most busy, professional sellers this change is not important (the changes to DSRs are, though) but a small, vocal group of (typically) small time sellers are up in arms at what they perceive to be an unfair change.
Until the last week or so, I haven’t really understood the rationale for removing the right for sellers to leave negative feedback for buyers. It didn’t seem like a fight worth having. That is until I encountered a seller who changed my mind. I bought three things from this seller in an order totaling about £25. It wasn’t a flawless transaction and although I left positive feedback, I was quite stingy with my eBay Detailed Seller Ratings and referred to the seller’s poor communication and unprofessional manner in the feedback comments.
The seller was furious. Not only did he retaliate with aggressive responses to my feedback, he sent several abusive emails. The experience wasn’t pleasant and I certainly won’t be going back to that seller again. But my experience was the tip of the iceberg. I noticed that the seller has nearly 200 mutually withdrawn feedback and responds to every neutral and negative feedback he receives with an automatic negative. Some of the comments he’s left are offensive and personal.
I contacted some of the buyers who had received negative feedback in the past month or so. They had left negative or neutral feedback for the seller and had all received negatives in return. The seller had also asked all of them to go through the mutual feedback withdrawal process to have the feedback nulled.
But most worrying of all, of the five people I communicated with, all say that their experiences have changed their view of eBay. Three say that they will never use eBay again. Two say that they will be wary of using eBay again but might. A quick trawl through the negative feedback that the seller has left shows that lot of people who received a negative feedback haven’t shopped on eBay again: he has personally alienated dozens of buyers.
Every eBay seller should be cross about the way this seller behaves: he is chasing away your future customers. And how many other sellers are there out there who practice the same principles? Not many, in the grand scheme of things, but enough to warrant action. Those who are striking need to decide whether the right to leave negative feedback for buyers is worth the inevitable misuse by some dubious sellers who are driving buyers away with their unprofessional behaviour.
Blogger, as the first comment (above me) noted the buyer can hold the seller hostage as much as the seller can hold the buyer hostage. Thus, there seems to be no good reason to unfairly handicap the seller during the financial exchange. By eliminating the possibility of negative feedback to buyers, the whole worth of feedback becomes diluted to the point of worthlessness. Neutral feedback is effectively the new negative feedback. It’s like taking the red lights out of traffic intersections and leaving only the green and yellow lights on.
Re : “responds to every neutral and negative feedback he receives with an automatic negative”. This is exactly what my eBay account manger recommended I do. This was just after eBay’s T&S team erronously pulled all of my listings (about 3000 of them) – but that’s another story. We were discussing the seller performance policy & he recommended this as a way of ensuring we didn’t fall foul of it – I wonder how many accounts an eBay account manager manages (wow – that looks hard to say) & how many other sellers have been given this advice. Incidentally – I couldn’t take the advice – I tended to leave positive feedback the instant the buyer paid. TTFN BFG
As an Ebay seller for eight years, I am about to close shop. My ratings have gone from 99.8 to 99.6 in one month becuase of neutral feedback left. I feel neither was justified and both were from new buyers to Ebay. In addition, I’ve had 4 buyers who have not paid for items as they know I cannot leave negative feedback. Agree, there are some sellers who do not try their best, but for most, this new rating system – along with increased seller fees, has totally disenchanted me with Ebay. Pretty soon, this will catch up to most sellers and they’ll all be gone. None of us need this new hassle. In addition, lower customer ratings are reducing our search engine placement and there is just nothing happening. Sorry, Ebay, you’ve made a serious mistake and will be losing many caring sellers. Seems as though they just don’t get it! MR
Ebay truely has forgotten who its customers are, the people they make X million a day from are NOT the buyers they are the sellers. To have a radical change is foolish. The Vzaar blogger above also conveniently forgets this, and its sad that any company remotely connected with Ebay ie pays the 5 grand a year (I think) fees for their API for developing applications seems to support this. Think about it, if Ebay gave open access to your code to all of its application developers with the view that it would support the buyers more, which undoubtedly it would through other companies utilizing the hard work of others. How would you feel? Would you be so Pro Ebay then? Something for you to think about…
I personally hated the old rating system. I hated the way that sellers would wait to see what feedback I gave before giving me feedback. Sorry, but it should go like this: 1. If buyer pays on time, feedback should be positive and left immediately. 2. As a buyer, I leave feedback when I receive the goods. If it was a good transaction, feedback is positive, if not, it’s negative or neutral. I should NOT have to worry about leaving negative feedback in fear of getting negative feedback left in return purely because of retaliation. I totally agree with this new approach. As a seller, I always leave feedback as soon as I receive the money. Not AFTER I get feedback. As a seller, if I encounter a bad buyer, I contact eBay. Simple.
WHAT THE HELL ABOUT STUPID NON PAYING BIDDERS? they screw sellers over. what’s the point? you get your fees back bu t not listing fees. i waste time and money dealing with deadbeat buyers. I lose alot of money, and I want them banned from eBay. there is no excuse. for example, i have a current bidder on my auction, named clickontheme36, who bought two items at 145 each. he then told me to cancel it because he thought he was getting two items for 145. but i didn’t get his email till an hour after i accepted his offer. now he says he has no funds and can’t pay becaue it isn’t his fault i didnt’ cancel it. but who’s fault it is that NPB’s keep screwing sellers over? eBay raises fees for sellers and does NOTHING to protect them becasue BY EBAY RULES if buyers make bids and win, they have an OBLIGATION to pay. NPBs make me sick and should be banned from ebay.
i am a seller i have a buyer right now saying he will leave me neg fb, he paid at 2 pm and file with paypal 6 hours later saying he hasnt rec. the item. has sent me the seller many abusive emails , says he knows how to play the game with ebay and paypal and that he always wins, says he will bid on my other items and do the same thing, believe me if he got neg he may not be as quick..
I have been buying and selling on Ebay for the last year and personally I think the new system of feedback is fantastic. If you have a bad experience with a seller its not right that you have to be fearful of receiving negative feedback in retaliation. If the customer pays and you have received your money then you have no right to leave negative feedback. When I sell an Item I leave feedback after the customer pays and I’ve had no problems. I recently bought an item and I paid instantly via paypal and as the item was pick up only I contacted the seller to arrange to pick the item up. I heard nothing for over a week. No communication at all, and then I was eventually told the item was no longer for sale and my money would be refunded. I waited another 2 weeks before receiving a refund. What was I supposed to do in that situation. Using the old feedback system I would have been scared to leave a negative feedback incase I was left one too, even though I paid on time and tried to communicate with the seller. The seller had complete disregard for me and didn’t even try to communicate and I never received my item so isn’t it only right that I should be able to leave negative feedback and he shouldn’t have been allowed to put negative feedback for me because I did my part. If you have a pronlem with a buyer then you should report them to Ebay. After all the customer is the one who is paying you the money so its their right to complain,
The new eBay policy enables difficult bidders. For example, I know of a bidder who constantly leaves neutral and negative feedback. This buyer indicates in positive feedback that the seller refunded 1/2 her payment for a miniscule defect (in vintage clothes!!!) She complains about ridiculous things and then extorts money from sellers, or leaves them negative feedback if she does not get her way. Where is the justice in that?! Everybody needs protection, plain and simple. It is not right of eBay to favor buyers and completely screw over sellers. Sellers are the backbone of the eBay business. Without them, there would be no merchandise, no marketplace.
Having used Ebay for some years I believed that ‘feedback’ was a valuable tool in assessing a seller’s credibility. My recent experience teaches me that the feedback system is edited by Ebay. This clearly corrupts the buyer’s opportunity view a plausibly bad seller. Having bought a technical item that was delivered incomplete I raised the query with the seller and was promised satisfaction, on three occasions. The item didn’t perform as, I considered, could be reasonably expected. To some degree, I feel, this has to be accepted as a risk of a distance purchase?? These queries were dealt with as though I wasn’t aware of how the equipment should be operated. After 22 days of failed promises in follow up delivery and prevarication I raised neg feedback and went to Paypal. I was informed that at best I may get a partial refund. I considered that it wouldn’t be worth the effort required for partial satisfaction. The factual, non abusive comments of my neg feedback of the seller have been removed. The seller returned pos feedback with accusing comments. Ebay say my comments were defamatory, the sellers were not. I have learned that neg feedback for the seller for the same product by other unhappy buyers have been totally removed. Of course I cannot know their content. To view a negative marker may have been some use to me. Had I had the opportunity to view other buyer’s negative feedback I would have been fore warned not to buy, and wouldn’t have. I am now stuck with a piece of kit that is not fit for the purpose intended, I believe, due to Ebays corruption of the feedback system.
I fully support sellers who have lost the right to leave negative feedback since this tilts the playing field and what’s the point if the feedback can only ever be positive. Leaving the word ‘Negative’ in the feedback is picked up by some sites that index eBay pages looking for bad payers including my own http://www.Ebuster.co.uk when now has access to several million pages that are more than 90 days old. My main concern with eBay is not so much bad buyers or sellers but eBay themselves who keep allowing the same scam artists to opening new accounts and then being deliberately obstructive when someone is scammed as they try to brush the problem under the carpet and in my case took 12 weeks to provide the trading standards with any information. Before complaining to eBay first take a copy of all the relevant pages as eBay may pull them and then try to make obscure claims about the deal may had been truck outside of eBay or question if the sale even went ahead even if like me you was able to leave feedback on the item.
A few years from now, eBay will have gone out of business, replaced by another company who remembered the old eBay, remembered why they attained such great success in the first place. Perhaps a giant like Google or Microsoft will seize the opportunity. And eBay’s “death” will not be a slow one. With well over 90% of sellers “very dissatisfied” with the New Ebay, they will jump ship at the first real chance. And on their way out, they will throw a torch into the old Beast. They will Be Back for as long as it takes to put the nails in the coffin. Of course, these sellers will now be omnipotent Buyers! And they will torture any remaining sellers with the idiotic New Ebay policy of communistic empowerment of the people (only Buyers are people to eBay). Yes, the Buyer IS where they wanted the power to be. It will become eBay’s Achilles Heel. And SHAME on you Buyers who have gloried in your undeserved triumph over the now-humbled seller, seeing “wisdom” in the New Ebay, when even a child could see it is nothing but foolishness. Ask a child who might happen to have the normal sibling dispute, what she thinks of the parent who always takes “his side”… The writing is on the wall. eBay must die, but even with all the stab marks left on her soon-to-be dead body, don’t forget that eBay drank her own poison, and so it will be in fact a suicide.
The seller is still in control of the transaction. I paid hundreds of dollars to THE BATTERY CONNECTION for a laptop that didn’t work. When the seller finally agreed to replace the unit (as their warranty stated they would) I sent them the old unit never to hear from them again. The BBB and consumer protection of NJ know they’re a bad company why doesn’t ebay. Or why doesn’t ebay care. Ebay won’t even let me file a formal complaint because I waited past the 45 days. The buyer admits they have my money and laptop,but I have no recourse.